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Post by Wke113 on May 19, 2010 21:12:28 GMT -5
Everyone has thought about it at least once, so now time to share your zombie plan and try to help with other peoples zombie plan's; A zombie plan has to have nearly all if not all the flaws worked out.
Rules: - The virus has broken out in whatever country you currently live in. - You can only be infected by a zombie if you are bitten by them or if their blood gets into your body some how. - It takes 4 days for you to be turned fully into a zombie. - Zombies like humans need to breath so they can drown/suffocate. - Also like us they need to feed so they can also starve.
I'll start the one my friends and I came up with is that once the zombie virus breaks out we are planning on driving or more likely flying down to Florida (We are getting out of the plane by parachute that way we don't die unsuccessfully landing it) rounding up as many people as possible on the way but not making it extremely necessary and then taking a cruise ship and an aircraft carrier (which is nuclear powered so it doesn't run out of power at least not as fast, already armed to the teeth with weapons like their mounted guns that we can use to kill any zombies on the coast when we have to return and already packing a lot of food to feed the passengers) and sitting a few miles off of the coast. If you go by the rules of their corpses and they float well they won't be able to climb up the ships side to reach us and if they are on the sea floor its to deep to even get close to us. - You maybe asking why two ships? Well the aircraft carrier is better for moving around and has a good food supply but the cruise ship will have a place to keep in shape so our bodies don't fail us and pure entertainment so that we aren't bored to death. - Another question you might have also is why pick up people on the way to the ships won't that make you use more food? Well, yes we will use more food up but theirs also two other things you have to consider here; my friends are too stubborn to admit it but you will need a good amount of people to get those ships up and running. The second reason which most people don't think of when they create their zombie plan is repopulating, if the zombie virus did break out it would be like the plague wiping out most of people in our select country so without repopulating after a decent amount of time then that would be pretty much a whole country wiped out.
The other one which is extremely similar except we go to Hawaii which for those of you that don't know is an island by plane or big ship because the only way they can get infected is if a zombie gets to the island through ship or plane which is very unlikely or if it is an air born virus which if that is true there truely is no way to avoid the virus.
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Post by E-Stalin [Orthrus] on May 19, 2010 21:26:27 GMT -5
How do you intend to reach the airport when everyone in the city is panicking their way to it as well? How do you intend to obtain a private plane from which you can skydive out of? Do you already have parachutes and are you trained in their use? If you're worried about landing the plane, then why are you ok with dropping onto solid ground without being able to determine what's under you and then remain immobile for a couple minutes to get your jump gear off? How do you intend to essentially hijack a military aircraft carrier? How do you intend to monitor, maintain, and run a nuclear reactor? How do you intend to steer and maintain a ship that requires hundreds of trained crewmen to service it?
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If a zombie virus existed it'd be extremely easy to quarantine and eliminate. You get a fucked up hospital, you get the city cordoned off, you get men with guns to shoot the extremely slow moving retarded animal zombies, problem over with a few dozen casualties.
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Post by junglehunter87 on May 20, 2010 2:26:29 GMT -5
That sounds like 28 Days Infected too me. Not Zombies. I prefer the Romero Dead rules. But it's your thread.
I agree with Orthrus on this. The military would have this cleaned up in no time.
I'd just sit at home with minimal supplies and the guns I use for hunting. Due mainly because the outbreak would be a flash in the pan. With or without a vaccine.
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Post by Shagrath on May 20, 2010 7:10:32 GMT -5
I've got to agree with Orthrus, your plan is vastly inconceivable. Unless of course, you and your friends know how to fly a plane, parachute from said plane, maintain the nuclear powered battle cruiser, as well as a cruise ship. And pilot both of them as well.
As for me, I've made new friends, moved different places. But I could probably hold up at [my word place] cracker barrel for a little while. Plenty of wood for a fire, food that'll last a little while, room for arms, and cots.
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Post by Tundra on May 20, 2010 9:02:27 GMT -5
I don't think It'd be that hard to survive a Zombie apocalypse. Just sit at home In a chair, with whatever foods, and supplies you might need around you, and point a shotgun at the front door. ------------------------ This has some really nice points as to how everything goes to hell during a Zombie Apocalypse. It's a good read for this subject: theoatmeal.com/comics/zombie_how
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Post by Wke113 on May 20, 2010 15:00:16 GMT -5
This was meant to be creative and interesting not sit and wait. Yes we did think of the military thing but that was to boring.
I have never seen 28 days before though my friend may have he came up with the 4 days to be infected thing anyway I'd assume that for zombies to survive they would need a way to get air and they need some way to create energy to move their bodies.
The solution for the planes? Two of my friends are pilots, one of which is going to have a career flying planes either for the military or for a company. Yes we do plan on having parachutes before we take off, I know that two of them are pilots but leveling a plane out and landing it isn't easy so I'd rather take my chance with the parachute.
The military ships I don't know how they planned on getting them working then again they are smart but not always realistic in their thinking and annoying stubborn, but as for the cruise ship they should be well maintained if they are in active service and probably some people on it including a crew since the ships are going in and out of port all the time.
Nice Rath, I've seen that before but I can't remember when o well, that's how it seems to end up in the movies and games people go into denial and there never is anyone around that will get the job done till its overpopulated with zombies.
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Post by junglehunter87 on May 20, 2010 15:58:06 GMT -5
Actually, that was the only part of your Zombies that wasn't like 28 Days. I forgot too add that earlier. In 28 Days once hit with blood or bitten or whatnot, It then took only 23 or so seconds before that person became Infected.
In George A. Romero's Zombie films no one lasts more than 3 days if bitten. Of course in his films thats not the only way to Zombifie. You could die of a heart attack or old age and still become a Zombie. But I Digress.
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Post by Setg on May 20, 2010 16:09:03 GMT -5
Ah, the zombie plan. The mainstay of druken pub conversations everywhere. I'll add my take on this, given that in the UK we have a serious disadvantage in that handguns are illegal and most other guns are very scarce, even here in Gunchester.
Also I hope that the outbreak is viral and not Romero, being as I live near one big-ass cemetry.
So anyhow. my friend argues that travel is the way to go; stock up on supplies and try to get into the countryside where there is less chance of a zombie encounter. Try to outlast it and live on the road for a while.
Me I say wait it out. Our house is reasonably secure, solid windows and doors with towels to block out shadows and light, limit noise levels and make sure we have enough food (I could always make the occasional quick forage in the supermarket that is literally about 30 seconds across the road for me).
If I do come face to face with a zombie, as stated we don't have guns in the uk so we're reduced to hand to hand weapons which add a dangerous quality given how close we have to get. I'd probably go with a broken broom handle and a screwdriver for back-up. Either one in the eye socket should hopefully cause lights out as long as I'm not sorrounded by a ton of zombies. Leather jacket and gloves with jeans are a must, to try and keep blood transfer to a minimum.
If it lasts more than a week or two, then we're screwed. If it's over in that time fram then great, but if we try and travel and then have to source fresh food and water, then that may be more dangerous than the zombies, given the rather selfish attitudes of humans in a crisis.
Shootforthehead.com is a great zombie site that has many other zombie plan theories - check it out.
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Post by E-Stalin [Orthrus] on May 20, 2010 17:24:07 GMT -5
Here's my take:
If the virus somehow goes into super-mode and thousands get infected and no one can contain it for whatever reason (I personally doubt there'd ever be an 'apocalypse' mode outbreak), then you're going to have droves of people blocking up the highways, running around to stores, and god knows what else. Going outside or trying to escape the city at this moment would be a huge pain and quite a danger.
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But, if for whatever chance there is to drive --
Transfer the contents of my fridge into the car. Add in whatever random garage items we have. Crowbars, knives, batteries, lights, lamps, etc etc. Anything useful, dump it in. Transfer all our guns and a good few thousand rounds of ammo. Pick up my cousin and a couple friends down the block. Get any food/water all of them have, along with any other random supplies they have, get my cousin's guns and ammo, and drive up to Davis.
At Davis, stop by a good friends house and transfer our entire arsenal and party up into his house, which is a hell of a lot more defensible. Transfer every useful item upstairs and destroy the stairway with an axe. Keep a ladder on hand for moving up and down. Sit there and wait.
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Random zombie note: as far as melee goes, the eye-socket's not really an option, mostly because destroying the upper part of the brain or the frontal lobe by the forehead wouldn't really harm a zombie.
All the gunk that controls motion and action and stuff is in the base of the skull. Everything by the face and top of the skull isn't vital. Stabbing or shooting that stuff will just make the zombie retarded. Since it's already retarded, won't matter much.
In other words, if you're stabbing then you need to stab deep enough through the face to reach the back of the skull, or if you're shooting you need to shoot anywhere but through the side of the temple. A sharp stick through the eyesocket will just be a grade A lobotomy unless you can get it nice and deep.
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To be absolutely honest, I'm more afraid of our fellow humans then zombies. Zombies aren't a real threat unless a couple thousand of them pile up at your front door. They're slow and stupid. Extremely easy targets to take out or avoid.
My biggest problem is people. I'm dead sure there'll be idiots with guns going Rambo who'll happily send a stray bullet in my back, criminals who'll take the apocalypse as a chance to loot/rape/murder/show-off-dick-size, and it goes on.
For this reason the top of the stairs will hold .22s for zombies and 1oz slugs for humans.
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Post by Wke113 on May 20, 2010 17:43:21 GMT -5
Thank you that's the type of answer I was looking for. Travel has its ups and downs, its good because you can get around if the roads are packed with vehicles but it does make noise.
I'd recommend getting goggles and if available some sort of mask to cover your mouth and nose and your set. My house is way to open for it to be a hideout, we have 2 sliding glass doors and 3 big windows in the front of my house that the zombies could knock down if suspicion arose so using it wouldn't be good.
Another good place would probably be to lock down at a super market it'd have food and drinks but you would have to clear it out, and pretty much just lock it down dead rising style except you know without the stupid/crazy grandma looking for her dog.
That's why the zombie virus ends up being so successful.
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Post by E-Stalin [Orthrus] on May 20, 2010 17:53:41 GMT -5
Thank you that's the type of answer I was looking for. Travel has its ups and downs, its good because you can get around if the roads are packed with vehicles but it does make noise. I'd recommend getting goggles and if available some sort of mask to cover your mouth and nose and your set. My house is way to open for it to be a hideout, we have 2 sliding glass doors and 3 big windows in the front of my house that the zombies could knock down if suspicion arose so using it wouldn't be good. Another good place would probably be to lock down at a super market it'd have food and drinks but you would have to clear it out, and pretty much just lock it down dead rising style except you know without the stupid/crazy grandma looking for her dog. That's why the zombie virus ends up being so successful. Any supermarket has the exact same problem that your house does: the front wall is made of glass. The surest defense against a zombie is elevation. 2 story houses with the stairs destroyed or barricaded. Climbing up to your roof and so forth.
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Post by Wke113 on May 20, 2010 18:17:36 GMT -5
Some places here have a lot of windows then others look like prisons but in most situations having the high ground is good, that's where the ship idea came into play because they couldn't climb up onto it but getting it working would be difficult.
I'd prefer destroyed stairs because a barricade can be taken out which in that point you are screwed.
I wish I could get a sniper for the apocalypse, take them out before they get close but ammo is scarce so their goes that. A shotgun isn't the best considering you have to use it at a closer range which isn't very fun.
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Post by E-Stalin [Orthrus] on May 20, 2010 19:11:44 GMT -5
True to the first few points, but I disagree with the last two.
While any good quality rifle will fulfill the purpose of a sniper rifle, I wouldn't like shooting at things from a distance simply because they're not attacking. If I've got some zombies up the road shuffling around, I'd rather let them shuffle then unload a few rounds and get their attention.
As for the shotgun, keep in mind that it's meant for the defense of the home, which typically means between 15-20 feet engagement distances. On top of that, I don't expect to be making any urban engagements beyond 50 meters, at which range slugs will do fine, although a good rifle or carbine would indeed be preferable.
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Post by junglehunter87 on May 20, 2010 19:37:39 GMT -5
So do I.... You think thats a bad thing? " They're coming to get you, Babara." Forgot about that. Reminds me of Dawn of the Dead with the Motorcycle gang. Yeah I'd probably set booby traps in unsecured areas for hostile humans. Kinda sucks for me as I live near a Shopping Mall (Looters) AND a Cemetery (Zombies) AND a Hospital (Zombies). So I'm kinda F'd if the military didn't come through. lol.
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Post by Shagrath on May 21, 2010 8:00:43 GMT -5
Here's another question for you, does the virus/plague/wtf effect animals?
Zombie outbreak occurs.
Gather up the few guns and boxes of ammunition my house contains. [A few rifles modern rifles, a few antique rifles, a few hand guns, and a few more antiques. As no now, no shot gun, but Dad's looking to buy one yet. Load everything up onto our Explorer, including whatever non-perishables that we happen to have in the house, the 2 ice chests/coolers, book bags, flammable chemicals, and anything else I can think of that would be helpful in survival and go on to the next stop.
Next Stop, Cracker Barrel:
For stocking up on supplies I would probably hit up my work place, as I said earlier. [cracker barrel, lots of food. Take an ice chest etc.] Which while it too has a lot of open space with a wall of windows, those windows are triple paned, and there are about 150 tables and at least 5 times that many chairs, temporary blockades could be put into place around the doors to the kitchen easily. There are back doors inside the freezer to grant easy access to the vehicle for supplies. As well as more than a few flammable chemicals.
Also, there is a gas station in between here and the next stop. Go here, grab more non-perishables/junk food [as we all know this shit doesn't go bad]/drinks. Attempt to siphon off as much gas as possible. And move onto the next stop.
Next stop, Cabala's:
Which is wonderfully enough about 2 minutes drive across the highway from my work place, and all in all 8 minute drive from my home. For those of you who don't know, Cabala's is this giant outdoors retail place.
So yeah, Cabala's. There I would stock up on ammunition, some silent things like a bow/crossbow [which have no training in, but have always wanted to learn] some large knives, and I could likely pick up a few more guns along the way too. As well as sleeping bags, and clothing, and various other things that while not necessary make things a lot easier/nicer/just plain help.
Next stop, the girlfriends house:
Now this is a bit of a tricky part, because my girlfriend lives 40 minutes away. But she lives in farm country. So, in my head, that sounds a bit safer of an area to try to survive than elsewhere. Her house is not ideal for holding out a long period of time, so go in, get her, if she's dead/a zombie take care of it, move on. Mourn later when it's safe. If not, fantastic. Get her to the truck and have her show me to the closest safe spot we can think of.
I'm sure there are other people with me, and if the cell towers are up, get in contact with a few people, try to figure something out before the power dies. Build up a nice group, make sure we're all stocked on supplies and so on.
From there, find a refuge and set up parameter, make sure everything's safe and hold up in that area. Possibly a school, or other easily defensible large building. Preferably one that has a back up generator, thick walls, minimal windows that we need to defend/block up, and stairwells. Something like a school would be nice.
Block off certain areas that would be unsafe should the zombies decide to investigate. Seal off the main entrance, as they're usually all glass. Properly block off the cafe' entrance. Go down to the art rooms, and paint all of the windows we can a solid color to deter zombies from investigating. Then head up to the second floor. And survive the best we can. Eventually we would run low on food and supplies. Or it would go bad. No plan is fool proof forever.
Thats more or less what I have. Only problem is, there's a lot of driving involved, and a lot of that driving is on highways, which will either be clogged, or completely devoid of vehicles. Avoid major cities, try to be inside and safe by night time.
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Post by Wke113 on May 21, 2010 20:57:20 GMT -5
Yes it does if they can get ahold of an animal then they will though I think they'd stay away then again there's always that few that has to investigate or goes down protecting their master.
I have the same problem with my girlfriend she lives really far away also making it really difficult.
Cabala's is a great choice, they have so much outdoors man and hunting equipment you'd think they are supplying an army. Probably a good place to camp out, if my memory is correct you can only get up to the 2nd floor through a pair of extremely long stairs (like 2-3 flights way more then zombies could handle) and an elevator which both are anti zombie. Probably an excellent place to hang out since it can't be to hard to barricade though it would be hard to hold down its so vast and if they did get up not much in the mean's of escape.
A school would be an odd place to hang out, every class room has to have window's in it and the whole front and cafeteria tend to be nothing but windows pretty much but if you could lock yourself upstairs it might work pretty well. Just pick up a bunch of different chains and locks maybe weld the door shut well maybe not you have to have a possible mean's of escape. I do like the paint idea though that would help pretty good or getting those one way windows so its black on their side and almost clear on yours.
I live in the country and their are a ton of back roads you can get to town using probably 5 different roads from my house so it'd would be easy to get around on roads that aren't packed. Only downfall is that when you go around corners you don't know what's around the corner really until its to late.
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Post by E-Stalin [Orthrus] on May 21, 2010 22:46:18 GMT -5
The problem with raiding places with food and ammo is that everybody within 50 miles will be doing the same. Chances are whoever owns a sporting store will have already locked it up themselves and either fortified themselves inside it or stripped it clean.
Unless of course the person is a very kind soul willing to let anyone else in there and help themselves, but chances are the place will be jam packed with, guess what, looters. And shop owners don't take kindly to looters. Which includes us.
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Post by Wke113 on May 22, 2010 14:31:21 GMT -5
Good point, its funny and horrible that during something like a zombie infestation/apocalypse we are more endangered of being killed by our fellow human beings than the zombies. At least with the zombies you know where they stand which is you being dinner but with other people its a mystery who knows you could just be bait to them, not a terribly bad reason to keep several people around if not for the fact it increases the odds of someone going crazy.
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Post by E-Stalin [Orthrus] on May 23, 2010 20:57:38 GMT -5
New plan for drive down:
Join the looters, only instead of going to the more obvious areas, stop by a local bath&body works and raid it.
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Post by junglehunter87 on May 23, 2010 21:38:08 GMT -5
lol, EPIC.
" Hmm, I don't know man. I mean if the Conditioner and Body Wash is separate it means I gotta rinse TWICE as much. But with this 3-in-1...."
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