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Post by bloodedyautja on Aug 23, 2007 14:34:08 GMT -5
ok so I was really bored and quite unhappy so I wrote this speech. kinder means you don't have to be actually dead to be dead. if that makes any sense. anyway here you go.
What is Death?
Is it when your heart ceases to beat? Or just when you think it can't be hurt anymore?
Is it when your soul finally leaves your body? Or is it when it only means your existance?
Sadness shows a sad person, but if emotions have been emptied does it not show a person who has ceased to 'live'?
After camps and jail people say others have lost their spark, If the spark of life is gone from the person are they not 'dead'?
What really is death?
Is it when your in your coffin, Or is it the point where you feel the need to send yourself there?
Is it when your family stand and say something is missing from their life, Or is it when you hear the only thing missing would be an annoyance?
IS death when you've had to much alcohol or drugs, Or is it the feeling your trying to rid by taking them?
Is it when someone delivers a killing blow, Or is it when you've taken as manny emotional ones as you can take?
What is Death?
Is it whne your eyes finally close? Or when theres nothing left to see in them?
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Post by thapunkpred15 on Aug 23, 2007 22:50:38 GMT -5
Well I totally don't understand this. Im not saying is crap but I just don't understand it at all.
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Post by 0darkblade0 on Aug 23, 2007 22:57:52 GMT -5
Surely death is an anorexic guy with a scythe and womens clothing.
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Post by the lonely soldier 714 on Aug 23, 2007 23:27:58 GMT -5
that is really heart taken. i think i get the point of it now.
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Post by bloodedyautja on Aug 24, 2007 4:46:13 GMT -5
Well I totally don't understand this. Im not saying is crap but I just don't understand it at all. basically its saying you don't have to physically die to be dead. alot of people withdraw so much from the world they feel nothing and they are said to be 'dead'. its just something saying how do you define death.
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Post by Shadowkid on Aug 24, 2007 12:29:35 GMT -5
Once you give up on life, you're dead way before you stop breathing.
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Post by thapunkpred15 on Aug 25, 2007 0:11:37 GMT -5
Well I totally don't understand this. Im not saying is crap but I just don't understand it at all. basically its saying you don't have to physically die to be dead. alot of people withdraw so much from the world they feel nothing and they are said to be 'dead'. its just something saying how do you define death. Oh ok. Its pretty much wasting away your life by doing nothing at all, right?
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Post by bloodedyautja on Aug 25, 2007 5:34:42 GMT -5
yer kinder. its hard to explain. 'cause its just what I felt, not someone else.
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Post by dahnknadek on Feb 6, 2008 22:50:04 GMT -5
I understand what you are saying, but by saying that we are dead when we no longer feel emotion (joy, sorrow, happiness etc) you are saying that we are alive only when we do feel those things. Death is not a bad thing, it is not something that has to be feared. It is a door to something else - and I don't mean a new body. All the things that you mention in your first post which you compare to death, are far worse because you have to deal with them. Some people who have seen really bad things or who have experienced it first hand, shut themselves away - not because they are dead, but because the soul can only take so much abuse and then it withdraws to keep itself safe. That person is not lost to us, but they need a guide to help them back to the sunshine side of life.
Emotions absent in the wild, not because other animals do not have the capacity to feel them (the brain is still a mistery) but because it is a luxery. In a wild and untamed world the existance of self is the most important thing, antelope will abandon it's calf to predators for it will surely also perish if it tries to defend it. On the other hand, look at dogs, the most affectionate animals, lick your hand, your face, roll over on command, sleep on your bed and give you unconditional love. But let that animal stray and become feral and it will rip your face off - in the wild there is no place for emotion.
If you look at humans, we are very emotional if you compare us to any other animal. Not just because we have a bigger brainpan, but also because we have tamed the world that we live in and everything in it is controlled to an extent. If we were without emotion, we would be ruthless, merciless and loveless, but those very same emotions have also weakened us. Made us fulnerable to the very things that you speak of.
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Post by 0darkblade0 on Feb 6, 2008 22:58:07 GMT -5
Well freaking said mate, well said indeed. Personally, I think death is the point where you no longer feel any need to survive, when you turn your back on the primary instinct which drives us all.
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Post by dahnknadek on Feb 7, 2008 0:12:49 GMT -5
I think death is the point where you no longer feel any need to survive, when you turn your back on the primary instinct which drives us all. I believe that this is true in some individuals who have faced untold horrors or larger than life loss, but it is not always the case. Everyone has probably see pictures of straving people in Etheopia or somewhere else on the African continent. There always seems to be this huge amount of babies with huge bellies haning onto their skeletal mothers and you wonder why on earth did these people have these children. The thing is that the single most important drive that any species has, is the procreation drive - the survival of the species drive - that lays dormant in the small brain lobes which takes care of all involentary actions/reaction like breathing and reflexes. This drive is awakend when there is severe famine/drought and will override common sense. This phenomena can also be observed when ordinary grasshoppers become locust. This also happens because there is trigger present - the lack of food/the overpopulation of a certain area in which the individual exists. For a grasshopper this is the stimulation of a sensor on it's back legs which is caused by the vibration/interaction it recieves over a certain period from all the other grasshoppers around it. The primal brain recieves this signal and triggers an internal change in the grasshopper - it gets wings to fly great distances because the lower brain knows that if it stays, it will die and its genes will die with it. In western countries, this trigger is absent so the drive never kicks in. In a way this is a human triumph but also the beginnings of our downfall. The human race relies on technology and research to make life better, easier and safer - but it has not done us any good. Our race is full of disease, deformities and abnormalities. In the wild, no deformed animal would survive, it is survival of the fittest and strongest. Death to an animal is an exceptable risk if it means that it's genes will live on in its offspring. That is why there is a rutting season. In contemplating death, not a lot of people take the death of our species into consideration, but rather ponders only the fate of the individual. Has anyone considered that by sparing the ones who are not the fittest who are not the strongest, we are in fact hastening our species towards the end? Does one not sometimes have to be cruel to be kind? I'm digressing.... I think that people put up with abuse and sorrow and suffering because of 2 reasons: 1 - they are afraid of what is going to happen when they die, 2 - they are afraid for the ones they leave behind.
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Post by 0darkblade0 on Feb 7, 2008 0:19:10 GMT -5
This is the point where I stand stupidly with my mouth open. I am simply amazed. Have you got a diploma in philosophy by any chance?
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Post by dahnknadek on Feb 7, 2008 20:33:57 GMT -5
This is the point where I stand stupidly with my mouth open. I am simply amazed. Have you got a diploma in philosophy by any chance? No, I have a degree in Public Relations Management, majoring in Communications Science, Media Studies and Public Relations. I read a lot of non-fiction and try and spend time with old folks - they have so much wisdom and insight, a lifetime of experience which tragically dies with the person because there is no one to pass it on to.
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Post by Steg'-in Paya on Feb 7, 2008 21:39:30 GMT -5
old folks do have wisdom and dont think that they dont have any1 to pass it onto. all they wana do is talk, i should know, my grandpa wont stop talking sometime.
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Post by dahnknadek on Feb 7, 2008 22:29:17 GMT -5
old folks do have wisdom and dont think that they dont have any1 to pass it onto. all they wana do is talk, i should know, my grandpa wont stop talking sometime. You are both really lucky then, in many countries the aged are thrown away like garbage. Some are abandoned at hospitals while their children and grandchildren go on holiday. Over the years, people have forgotten that the aged are also part of the family unit - the more facets you chip off the unit, the weaker and more vulnreble the unit gets. In tribal societies, the grandparents play a huge role in the rearing and education of the child, in some African states the grandmother takes the role of parent over completly while the parents work to bring in money. In wester society, granparents have little or no say about how a child is reared, never mind that the parents do not have the time or resources to do a good job themselves. The western family unit is already fractured and it will only be a matter of time (and a certain amount of government interferace and/or political correctness) before it is fatally splintered. Would that not also bring about death of something which is not physical?
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Post by 0darkblade0 on Feb 8, 2008 5:26:20 GMT -5
Yeah, it's funny how the younger generations think they know it all (err...wait...I'm a part of that Generation...ah well) when it's sure as hell not. Heck, our brains ain't fully grown till we turn 25! So why the hell do we discount thier opinion and experience out of hand? I mean, putting them into homes and hospitals before thier time, and stripping them of their dignity. Seriously. Surely that's in a way murder as well. But I'll wait 9 years before I start throwing about my opinion. Safer that way
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Post by dahnknadek on Feb 8, 2008 6:23:15 GMT -5
Old age is never dignified and nobody is attracted to frailty . How many elderly animals does one see in the wild, apart from the higher mammals - elephants, apes, rhino,etc - it is only in humanity where the elderly is looked after. I think - but I'm not sure - but in the camelid families, the weaker animals are protected to an extent but I can't think of another example. In the wild, the sick the old and the weak get weeded out by predators.
Forcing old people into homes I think that it's a "out of sight, out of mind thing" - but there are those who are there because they need care that their families cannot provide, or because they choose to be there. Like most things in life, it is not a black and white matter. But when you walk through the halls, you can see in the eyes those who want to be there, those who don't and those who would rather be dead.
And you're right, males tend to mature intellectually and emotionally only in their mid twenties - although I doubt that my brother ever will...
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Post by Steg'-in Paya on Feb 8, 2008 18:25:59 GMT -5
i just turned 26 and i swear sometimes i feel like im 16
who knows when ill mature
i guess im like a good cheese, i take time to mature.
LOL!
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Post by dahnknadek on Feb 8, 2008 22:25:39 GMT -5
i just turned 26 and i swear sometimes i feel like im 16 who knows when ill mature i guess im like a good cheese, i take time to mature. LOL! Rather make that a good wine.. All good things come to those who wait, I still feel like I'm in my early twenties just not as goodlooking HAHA
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Post by 0darkblade0 on Feb 9, 2008 3:46:43 GMT -5
Sigh, I knew that sexism was going to rear it's ugly head sometime...
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